A Dive into Gaming Nostalgia and Remakes

Projektitachi (00:21.24)
What is up everybody? Welcome back to another week of the GZ Chop Shop podcast. I am your host, Project Itachi joined by my good friend and co-host, Warnurse And this week, we're gonna talk remakes we want to finally see happen. And it's no longer, I don't think it's a pipe dream anymore because...

Warnurse (00:30.017)
Good luck.

Warnurse (00:42.379)
Nightmare creatures right now. Where is my nightmare creatures? What that studio doesn't exist anymore. Somebody has to have the rights to it and somebody is missing out on money because that first nightmare creatures was fucking awesome and I want an open world nightmare creatures. Okay, which is asking for a lot just

Projektitachi (00:56.396)
I think it's Warner Brothers.

Warnurse (01:11.279)
Just remake the game itself would be great, but oh my God, could you imagine an open world nightmare? Guys, if you have not played. Nightmare creatures. I don't know. I don't I don't know how you're going to it. I think you could like port it from like an on like a website online. You could probably play it from like a like an online download or something. I don't know if it's safe, but whatever. But unfortunately, I don't have my old PlayStation and shit, but man.

Projektitachi (01:20.568)
Good luck. Good luck.

Warnurse (01:40.483)
That game was awesome.

Projektitachi (01:41.91)
Yeah, Nightmare Creatures. I think they had two games?

Warnurse (01:47.597)
Nightmare. Yeah, my nightmare creatures too did not do well. And I think. I think. Let's double check here, but I think Nightmare Creatures three was canceled because of Nightmare Creatures. To my Internet crashed. I got denied. I typed it in in process delete. What? What?

Projektitachi (01:51.362)
That's what killed it.

Projektitachi (02:05.471)
Ha ha ha ha!

Projektitachi (02:12.756)
It said no, no nightmare creatures.

Warnurse (02:17.517)
Nightmare Creatures 3, what do mean?

Projektitachi (02:21.054)
that was never supposed to be revealed, never supposed to exist.

Warnurse (02:23.166)
Yeah!

Projektitachi (02:28.343)
So

Warnurse (02:28.495)
Oh yeah. There we go. Yeah. Nightmare creatures three angel of darkness was to be an action horror game that was originally planned for spring of 2003. It would have been developed by Callisto entertainment. And this time around published by Ubisoft, maybe that was a problem and was targeting PS2 game cube game cube. Oh my God. It goes back and the original X-Box. It was reported that Ubisoft team took our develop

Projektitachi (02:45.124)
Yeah.

Warnurse (02:55.929)
took over development and was now playing for four, but it since missed the year release date and no further news came about since it was like quietly, it was quietly canceled. So Ubisoft bought the rights for it and then just

Projektitachi (03:11.756)
Let it die.

Warnurse (03:13.709)
Let it die.

Projektitachi (03:16.93)
Ugh.

Warnurse (03:18.543)
So they've been they've been sucking since day one. Damn it. I'm so

Projektitachi (03:19.556)
Thanks

Projektitachi (03:23.534)
So they have an IP that they just let die that they could be, okay, Ubisoft, just hear me out for a minute. Take a break from Assassin's Creed. Take a break from your next Tom Clancy. Dig out some of these IPs you're sitting on and revive them. You guys have nightmare creatures and you're not using it?

Warnurse (03:32.591)
These bastards.

Warnurse (03:51.915)
I'm be honest to I don't even want Ubisoft to make the damn game like I Anyone else at the maybe maybe not eat EA, but Ubisoft yeah, I just I'm just you Ubisoft's getting on my nerves and I think they're getting a lot of people's nerves But of course, of course, they're the ones that fucked up nightmare creatures

Projektitachi (03:57.252)
I was going to say,

Projektitachi (04:12.226)
So the transition to live service multiplayer only began long ago because yeah.

Warnurse (04:21.177)
God. Okay. So for me, it's Nightmare Creatures and then the Legend of the Dragoon. I love that game. I would love to see a modernization of it, especially like graphically with the cutscenes and stuff while keeping it same like turn based tactics where you have to like hit the buttons at the certain times. And I just think it was really, it was a really fun game and it had a good story.

It's just Final Fantasy. A lot of people at the time didn't like Final Fantasy. Like they thought it was just a copy. I think it was just a product of the type of games that were kind of popular at the time. But I love that it still to this day has such a following. I've been seeing people streaming a ton online lately, like the past couple months. I don't know like what that's all about, but I had been seeing a lot of people playing what they consider to be retro games from like the early

Projektitachi (04:57.698)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (05:02.306)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (05:19.574)
Yeah.

Warnurse (05:20.503)
Like 2000s, I'm like, a second here.

Projektitachi (05:23.384)
I'm going to say I've been seeing that a lot to a lot of people going back to classic games, and it's because there's just nothing out there. Yeah.

Warnurse (05:28.654)
Mm-hmm.

And we've talked about a 40 like it's it's a they were just good replayable fun games that were complete. Granted, there was no new game plus, but that was the that was the beauty of it is there didn't need to be because the game was so good. You were like, I can't wait to start over and play it in a different way or do a slightly different thing. And yeah.

Projektitachi (05:50.786)
Yeah.

Yeah, it's just everyone.

Warnurse (05:54.895)
When they came with four discs, when the game came with four discs.

Projektitachi (05:58.042)
you know, you knew it was a long game. Yeah.

Warnurse (05:59.919)
You had a game that you knew you were gonna enjoy for a good while.

Projektitachi (06:06.916)
100%. I think too, like a lot of people, they're starting to get burned out from all of these live service games too. Like everyone's suffering from live service game burnout. Almost every game coming out as a carbon copy of each other with a different name. Like AAA games are just not hitting the way they used to.

Warnurse (06:15.246)
Yeah.

Warnurse (06:34.487)
Yeah, the gaming companies are doing to games and live service games with live service games. What Disney did with Marvel. Just it's not about qualities. There's another one. And you're like, OK, and it's like I think I remember when, you know, PUBG was like the thing like PUBG was like peak peak battle Royale, but you didn't call it a battle Royale at the time.

Projektitachi (06:47.448)
Yeah, here's another one. Here's another one spent $60. Yeah.

Warnurse (07:04.675)
Like it was just, it was just a fun game. It was like a blast. And then of course, if you play that game now, it's so slow pace compared to everything. Now you like, it's boring. But that's crazy. Like, and that was only several, like not even several years ago, like pub G was like the thing. And then Fortnite and call of duty took off with all their stuff. And, that's the, everyone copied pub G. Pub G started this and it doesn't get respect.

Projektitachi (07:13.016)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (07:27.331)
Yep.

Projektitachi (07:32.002)
I think there was something before PUBG, yeah, PUBG made the genre popular. And then everyone copied off of PUBG to make theirs popular. But my remake of choice, and I've mentioned this before, and it's always the first one that comes to my mind of a game I would love to even just play the classic version of, but if they could remake it, would be amazing.

Warnurse (07:34.575)
I'm sure there was like little things here and there, but PUBG was like the popular one that was like

Projektitachi (08:01.388)
Star Wars Shadows of the Empire.

Warnurse (08:04.301)
Jesus, that's old. Is that older? Is that?

Projektitachi (08:05.738)
Yep, I'm stuck. I think that was like 96.

Warnurse (08:10.775)
I was going to say, is that Super Nintendo?

Projektitachi (08:13.57)
No, no, that's Nintendo 64. Yeah, I think it was a Nintendo 64 exclusive.

Warnurse (08:15.446)
Is it?

Projektitachi (08:20.482)
And it was such a good game. Dash Rendar.

Warnurse (08:21.935)
Which one Which one was the one where you flew the X-wing in Yeah, I know You know what you fuck it there's too many I'm trying to describe a scene from my childhood that I remember and correlate it to a game but because It's too. It's it's too vague. I'm like, well, it's Star Wars and Fuck like

Projektitachi (08:31.396)
Like what?

I was like, you have got to be way more specific.

Projektitachi (08:43.108)
Cause cause I'm like you flew the outrider through the yeah. You're like which was it you do that flew the X-Wing through what? Star there Star Wars Rogue Squadron the original one. That was an 64 exclusive.

Warnurse (08:59.947)
I think that's what it was. Maybe it was a okay, you know when you go to an arcade and there's the generic typical Star Wars game and you get in the machine and you fly and you do all that stuff. That's based off a Nintendo 64 game.

Projektitachi (09:10.148)
you're talking about one of those are key.

Projektitachi (09:15.704)
Yeah, I think I remember that. Yeah.

Warnurse (09:16.205)
That's an, that's like an arcade, a wide view version of the N 64 game and in it you pilot the, so that's, that's what I'm talking about, but the N 64 version of it.

Projektitachi (09:24.888)
That's right, I do remember that.

Projektitachi (09:29.942)
I think you're talking about Rogue Squadron. It was an arcade version of Rogue Squadron.

Warnurse (09:32.051)
Probably. There's so many damn Star Wars games like I can't keep up anymore. just I have panels from my lifetime, my lifetime. And I'm like, well, I don't know which one that is, but I remember it. I'm fond of that memory, and it's like another X-Wing fighter.

Projektitachi (09:44.514)
Yeah, no, I think I remember that.

Projektitachi (09:49.782)
Yeah, Rogue Squad. Once EA got the full rights to Star Wars games for like 10 years. It was, yeah. The Fallen Jedi series is good.

Warnurse (09:57.891)
They were just hit or miss. Because some of them are still really good.

Warnurse (10:06.453)
What was the one with the twins that were like?

Projektitachi (10:11.576)
What?

Warnurse (10:12.793)
the twins that were, or brothers, but they were like.

Projektitachi (10:17.324)
I talk about the Old Republic online game.

Warnurse (10:19.631)
No... Am I making shit up?

Projektitachi (10:22.948)
I mean, were brothers in the Old Republic online MMO game as one of the expansions. There were twin brothers in that.

Warnurse (10:34.927)
I feel like it was an old republic game, I don't feel like it was like a online game. I don't know, man. You're more familiar with them than I am. Like I don't remember a lot of them.

Projektitachi (10:39.96)
Yeah, so you know about Star Wars the old s- Yeah. So you didn't know that there is an online Star Wars game to this day.

Warnurse (10:48.845)
No, I did know.

Projektitachi (10:50.476)
Yeah, and one of the expansions did involve brothers. You probably saw the trailer because the trailers for Star Wars Old Republic, the online game, were very cinematic.

Warnurse (10:58.639)
Maybe I maybe I remember playing it is what I thought but maybe again panels from my lifetime panels. There's so many Star Wars games like God Jesus man like yeah, it's all one long. But you know what my favorite one to this day is like of all time is is is just the Old Republic.

Projektitachi (11:07.47)
Man, it's merging timelines in his head.

Projektitachi (11:21.122)
Jeez.

Projektitachi (11:25.954)
Are you sure it's real?

Warnurse (11:27.085)
The old Republic, promise the old Republic with the RPG and you got to be, you know, you made different characters. Yeah. I, to this day, one and two fun game.

Projektitachi (11:29.355)
Okay.

Projektitachi (11:33.24)
By BioWare, yeah.

Projektitachi (11:39.98)
I'm surprised you never played the online one. It was actually pretty fun. It just sucks because it's another subscription, which is understandable for the, you know, servers.

Warnurse (11:44.547)
Yeah.

Warnurse (11:51.179)
I don't mind a subscription to an online game as long as the subscriptions are like World of Warcraft, right? Like in Final Fantasy, they go to pay for those private servers and you do like they actually take care of the game and like they don't try to like micro transaction the shit out of you. Not that wow does kind of do that now if you play regular while they got all the but anyways, I don't mind it if you get private servers.

and like the rest of them tend to have but when they charge you just because they charge you and the servers kind of suck it's like well what are we even doing

Projektitachi (12:29.612)
Yeah, to this day I've I don't understand why Xbox, PlayStation and Nintendo charges for online.

Warnurse (12:44.687)
I'm waiting this era of subscription services. I'm waiting to go to work one day and they're like, all right, if you want the internet and the charting system to work a little bit faster, you can get tier two work, tier two hospital internet. And like they take it out of my check and like I'm able to like, if I want better supplies, I have to like pay for like tier two and, and like I have to pay to play to work, pay to work.

Projektitachi (12:58.414)
Tier 2 work.

Yeah, you're pre-approved for the highest tier. You have to...

Projektitachi (13:15.076)
Shareholders suck. Major shareholders.

Warnurse (13:15.759)
Jesus Christ. What do you think? What do you think toll roads are toll roads are pay to play? They are. And every time I'm on the toll road and I'm going past traffic, I'm like fucking losers. Like every time I'm like you poor sons of bitches. Like every time every time.

Projektitachi (13:24.473)
They are.

Projektitachi (13:30.82)
You

Projektitachi (13:34.852)
Yeah, is. But now that we've realized that you are making up Star Wars games in your mind, I vividly remember and still own

Warnurse (13:45.42)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (13:53.762)
most of the Star Wars games.

Warnurse (13:55.415)
That was the most telekinetic sound you could have possibly made. If it just reminded me of like that South Park episode where like Cartman and other kids are having like psychic powers with each other and like that's what that.

Projektitachi (14:12.444)
I had to channel, you know, younger me and remember that. Because I was like, well, I don't have shadows of the Empire anymore, which is why I want a remake of it. And I don't I do still have the original Rogue Squadron now, which in my opinion is the best Rogue Squadron, even with how it looks today. It just it was phenomenal. And cheat codes were still a thing. So like.

Warnurse (14:15.179)
You just like, on.

Warnurse (14:40.377)
slightly comp

Projektitachi (14:43.714)
flying ships that you weren't meant to fly normally in Row Squadron was worth it. Like the Naboo Fighter, like come on guys, if you played Row Squadron, remember when you weren't supposed to be able to fly the Naboo Fighter, but you put in the cheat code and you could fly the Naboo Fighter and then you could get the Millennium Falcon? You were supposed to only have the X-Wing, A-Wing, B-Wing, Y-Wing.

Warnurse (14:49.423)
Mm-hmm.

Warnurse (15:07.297)
So fun, fun thing here, I think is the Tomb Raider one, two and three. They remade them. I have them on Steam and PlayStation and they're awesome. They're awesome. So you can, you can put in the cheat codes, but if you do it, you won't get like the rewards and trophies. So you want to like play the game right the first time, which is fine. It's fair.

Projektitachi (15:19.438)
Did they keep cheat codes?

Warnurse (15:36.429)
You want to play the game through right the first time and then earn all your like outfits and everything and then do the cheat codes afterwards. So you'll your rewards. You don't have to worry about it. And I think that's fair. Like you should have to play the game and then you can come back and do whatever. But yeah, you can you can do the cheat codes, which I thought was cool that they kept that and the game they they they did something simple. They kept the game the same minus they upgraded the graphics, right?

Projektitachi (15:47.044)
Okay.

Projektitachi (16:03.235)
Yeah.

Warnurse (16:04.119)
You can play with the original controls, the classic controls of Tomb Raider, or you can play with modern ones. The modern ones took me a second because they were like your back flips and stuff and your special moves work a little differently and they don't really do a good job in the game of helping you figure that out because the game stays true to the original. So the guides and the mansions when there's, you know, when you can practice in the mansions.

Projektitachi (16:30.536)
mention all controls.

Warnurse (16:31.809)
Yeah, they're there for the old controls, not the new ones. So it took me a minute, but I eventually figured everything out and I was like, OK, I got it. So then I was able to dive and like jump and do backflips and do all the things I wanted to do. But the the game is is a lot of fun in it. And it. Well, what was what was hilarious to me is I tried to use the classic controls. I must have been one patient.

nine or 10 year old playing Tomb Raider one man. Let me tell you having games back then didn't really utilize the analog stick. As a matter of fact, I don't even know what the analog stick was for. Like they kind of just sat on the controller and didn't do anything. So you have to use the D pad and even then

Projektitachi (17:11.544)
Mm-hmm.

Not for the first Tomb Raider.

Projektitachi (17:19.726)
Yeah.

Warnurse (17:26.519)
Now, if you use D pads on games, you can hit left and right at the same time, vertically right and run diagonally. You couldn't do that back then. It was either up, down, left, right. So I was trying to play and she kept like she kept like turning and stopping and turning and then like she'd walk back and then she turn and I'm like, son of a bitch. It's like I changed it back.

Projektitachi (17:38.924)
Yep.

Projektitachi (17:45.924)
You

Projektitachi (17:53.378)
D-D-D-D-

Warnurse (17:56.621)
to modern, was like, how did I do this as a child?

Projektitachi (18:01.572)
because we didn't know that it could be better. That was the best. We made it work because it was what we knew.

Warnurse (18:03.075)
Like that was the best. And you just, you're like, you didn't think like, is stupid or you didn't have anything better to compare it to, guess. And I'm like, look at back, like who is doing this?

Projektitachi (18:12.952)
Right.

Right. Yeah, I can't play classic controls on a lot of my games. It mentally hurts. So, but yeah, Shadows of the Empire would 100 percent be one of my arm. Marines would probably be a close second to. I don't know if you ever played arm, Marines. our Marines was the nod.

Warnurse (18:20.495)
can't get over that pivot shit she did.

Warnurse (18:34.76)
Which game? No, I didn't. I didn't play R-Runes.

Projektitachi (18:43.069)
In my opinion, Armourines was the original Helldivers with a more serious tone.

Warnurse (18:49.433)
serious Helldivers.

Projektitachi (18:52.04)
Yeah, it took inspiration from Metroid and Starship Troopers. And it's actually a really fun game. They actually had a Game Boy Color version that was pretty intense, too. I actually had the clear cartridge Game Boy version. Armourines. I don't know what else it came out. I think it was a Nintendo exclusive. It kind of was a. Armourines.

Warnurse (19:15.865)
So, are our arm-a-rains?

Projektitachi (19:21.058)
See anybody out there knows about armoring.

It was definitely very niche too.

Warnurse (19:28.079)
Oh, I see that, 1999, holy shit.

Projektitachi (19:31.628)
Yeah. Such a good game. feel like it was massively, massively underrated.

Warnurse (19:36.429)
What's up?

Projektitachi (19:40.546)
Like now I kind of want to. Yes, that is a project swarm armory's projects warm.

Warnurse (19:42.329)
Here we go. Here we go. Is this the one right here? Armory is 1999 PlayStation Game Boy Color. Holy crap. What?

Projektitachi (19:52.108)
You know, I don't have the Game Boy Color version anymore. And those games are hard. Armourines was hard.

Warnurse (19:56.274)
man.

Warnurse (20:01.783)
Okay. Five different environments on earth and in space. Okay. Death match. I love how there's death match and then race wars. What? Anyways, capture the flag. King of the hill was, yeah. Nevermind. didn't, there was no online. There was your buddies came over and okay.

Projektitachi (20:26.572)
It wasn't out yet. Yep, everyone hook up the controller and you all play on the same system.

Warnurse (20:32.195)
Race wars is exactly what I was hoping it wasn't. It's you choose to play as any of the alien bugs species. You fight each other. That's awesome. Okay. This game looks pretty dope. Yeah, I would play it. Game rankings, unfortunately, aren't looking too hot.

Projektitachi (20:52.224)
I think too, so Armouries came out at the time when parents were super against video games. And it's one of the few rated games that hit Nintendo. Nintendo is basically the Disney of video games.

Warnurse (21:08.143)
That was to say you're not right. It's a good analogy. M rated back then was way more rare and parents are right. Turok was already a problem, which I think talking about remakes here, I demand more tour. Where has Turok been by the

Projektitachi (21:11.096)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (21:15.086)
Yep.

Projektitachi (21:27.362)
There's a turnout coming out.

Warnurse (21:29.763)
that's right. There was one revealed, right? Yeah, at the Game Awards. That's right.

Projektitachi (21:32.14)
announced that the game will work.

There you go. See, one problem solved.

Warnurse (21:37.475)
Hell yeah. What's the, did they say like the name of the new Turot game? We'll just look that up. Turot game. Let's check this out guys. We're just the whole episode is they just searching the web. Don't worry about my history. Jesus Christ. Not Reddit. my God. Anything but Reddit. This one. here. Game rant. Sure. my God. my God. He dude. I, it was so,

Projektitachi (21:42.468)
Just type, yeah, just type in new to rock and it'll.

Projektitachi (21:48.993)
You

Anything but Reddit. There you go. It like Turok official game and development.

Warnurse (22:07.439)
satisfying with when you'd have your arrows and you'd get those headshots and their heads blow up. And I was like, I was like 11 and I wasn't even questioning this, like the violence of that.

Projektitachi (22:20.91)
That's how I was when I was like playing Armory. I definitely got armory like as a pre-owned under the table. And back then GameStop employees didn't care about ratings. I had to stop going to Toys R Us to get my video games because the cashiers always were like, do you have your guardian with you? This game is rated T for teen and for mature. And I'm like, it's a Game Boy game. But when I would go to GameStop, they were just like, you want the game? All right, here's the game.

Have a nice day. So I wound up getting our Marines. So I was playing our Marines and it was not like it got an rating, but it was not that bad because you were you were killing bugs.

Warnurse (22:50.383)
Shhh!

Warnurse (23:03.191)
You know, it w it wasn't Turok evolution. I remember, I actually liked that one. I think that one got some hate, but I liked that one. I liked all of them, but Turok evolution was the last one I played and it was, I had it on X-Box at the time. Yep. That is, that is cool. That is awesome, man. So no release date has been given for Turok origins yet.

Projektitachi (23:09.08)
Now Turok, that was different.

Warnurse (23:34.834)
Um, it's so crazy. You have like these dinosaur humanoid things, the lizard people, basically. It's just kind of cool. Freaking freaking awesome, man. All right, let's let's come back. I don't want to slip up on the Internet.

Projektitachi (23:40.674)
Yep.

Projektitachi (23:46.34)
You

Yeah, so Turok, you're at least getting to Turok. I want more Star Wars games, but I want them to not be EA or Ubisoft. I know. Yeah. It was so much better because there were so many more developers back in the day, and there weren't buyouts and absorbing and...

Warnurse (23:54.095)
I'm at least getting a turr rock.

Warnurse (24:00.747)
That's a that's a stretch. It's a pipe dream.

Projektitachi (24:14.124)
closing of studios. mean, back then, you know, everyone was individual. Activision was by itself. You had Midway, you had Rare. Who else was back then? You know, LucasArts was its own thing because they were putting out Star Wars games left and right, especially when the original three. Well, I say original three, but when the. Episode one, two and three came out.

That was like the peak of Star Wars games. There was like a Star Wars game, like if not every year, every other year. Because we had Shadows of the Empire, Episode One, Pod Racing. Then on the PlayStation, there was Episode One, Racer. Nintendo, I think Nintendo had like almost exclusive rights to a lot of Star Wars games for a good while, too.

But then you had Star Wars Bounty Hunter, Star Wars Republic Commando, Empire at War, Old Republic. Then you still had Rogue Squadron Rebel, the second Rogue Squadron, which came on the GameCube. There were so many Star Wars games. Now there's like four at most, like within recent time.

Warnurse (25:36.579)
They all, it feels like they all just like got shelved. Like this went into, like unless you have a physical copy, like you just.

Projektitachi (25:40.44)
They did.

Warnurse (25:46.253)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (25:47.125)
Yeah, the most up to date current Star Wars games are Battlefront, Battlefront II, both of the Fallen Jedi. The last Rogue Squadron and Outlaws. So there's been like six and this is spanning from PS4, mind you, from PS4 to PS5. There's only been.

Two games for the PS5 and the other ones I mentioned were all PS4. So there's only been like six games over the last almost two generations because PS5 is passing its halfway life cycle.

Warnurse (26:29.967)
Dude, that's freaking crazy. The amount of consoles we have. I have a question for you. Did you ever, when you were a kid, did you play computer games that often, like besides Doom?

Projektitachi (26:42.979)
Not really.

Warnurse (26:43.791)
Were you when did you get familiar with doom and Wolfenstein type of games?

Projektitachi (26:51.972)
School maybe?

Warnurse (26:53.519)
Okay, I'm asking. So I had this floppy disk when I was it was like 19 I was like 1997 or 1998 something like that. But I was like I was like eight or nine or 10 or some shit. don't remember. But it had a bunch of demos of games on there and one of them was doom.

Projektitachi (26:57.358)
floppy disk.

Projektitachi (27:18.294)
I remember those.

Warnurse (27:19.407)
But another one in this game recently made it to steam and I'm going to buy it guys. But there were during when doom came out, there was a lot of there was a lot of sort of doom copies kind of stuff going on. Right. And here's one for you. Right. This if you guys like retro games or doom type of games, I recommend this. Now, I know

It's super nervous. Call corridor seven alien game just like just like doom. Okay. 55 % score. It's exactly what you expect. But you basically you you're just like in a base and you're running around and there's aliens instead of demons or Nazis with dogs, right? It's it's it's like Ellie area 51 and type of shit, but they have it on steam, right? Right here on steam.

Projektitachi (28:06.564)
You

Warnurse (28:15.679)
And I've been meaning to get it, but then I saw the price for it and I was like 10 fucking dollars for a game that came out in 1990. But it is the full game, which I never got to play. And I thought that was cool. But just like a side thing, like a game I played when I was little that you have, I kind of like nostalgia from playing it. And I know like all the others, some of the gameplay there.

Projektitachi (28:38.68)
you want to talk about some gameplay that probably looks rough, see if you can find a clip of Ballistic X versus Sever for the Game Boy Advance.

Warnurse (28:49.699)
Ballistic what?

Projektitachi (28:51.007)
X versus Sever.

Projektitachi (28:55.768)
and then look for the Game Boy Advance game. I know the movie wasn't great, that's for sure. I never saw the movie, but I know people apparently hated, hated the movie. But I had the game, never watched the movie, but I had the game. And when I tell you that was one of the roughest, playing an FPS game.

Warnurse (29:10.446)
Is it?

Projektitachi (29:23.178)
on a Game Boy Advance. Kudos to everyone who's done that, because that was a skill to play an FPS game on a Game Boy Advance was a skill. I don't know what possessed me to get that game, but I got it. I played it and I was I had to put cheat codes in and like find all the secrets and stuff. I had to play cheat codes. That game was raw.

Warnurse (29:46.927)
I had to play with cheat codes. Jesus.

Projektitachi (29:53.454)
to end on the Game Boy.

Warnurse (29:54.243)
I like how there's all these like rough games, As like X versus Sever Dark Arena. did play by the way, Duke Duke Nukem. did play. I know what ice nine is. I didn't play that, but then there's like an American tail five holes gold. It's just like really funny to me.

Projektitachi (30:12.536)
You know what I miss? I miss the different versions of the same game on different systems. So I don't know if anyone know.

Warnurse (30:24.099)
You mean how like you'd play Spyro on the Gameboy and it was a totally different game?

Projektitachi (30:27.48)
It was a totally different game. Same exact name, completely different game. Not even remotely close. And the first time I realized that that was a thing was when I played Splinter Cell Chaos Theory on the GameCube. Because all I had then was a GameCube. that was my first time getting into Splinter Cell. I couldn't get Pandora Tomorrow. So to this day, I've never been able to play Pandora Tomorrow because apparently that was so loved.

Warnurse (30:31.887)
Like, even close to.

Projektitachi (30:55.042)
Nobody was trading in and when anyone traded in it immediately got bought So I never got to play pandora, but I got chaos theory. And I was playing Chaos theory and I was like man 90 of the game was always in a building inside and everything and then when I finally got a game magazine people were like praising chaos theory, that's what made me get it I was like, this is very different than what The screenshots were showing me in the magazine

PS2 and Xbox versions were completely different from the chaos theory on GameCube.

Warnurse (31:32.911)
Every time you say chaos theory, I think of Ian from Jurassic Park.

I just go on.

Projektitachi (31:42.163)
But chaos theory, see if you can find it. The chaos theory for GameCube is very different from the one that was on Xbox. When I finally got myself a 360, I went and I went and bought chaos theory and I went, oh, no, and double agent. Double agent was the real big one. Double agent was a very different. The GameCube version and the Xbox version were completely different.

graphically and story wise. They were two different games.

Warnurse (32:13.551)
I would say they tend to track I noticed with especially the Game Boy Advance a lot of games that were on console and they put them on Game Boy Advance somehow. Somehow the game would turn into a platformer.

Projektitachi (32:27.212)
It always turns into a top down platformer. Yeah, it was completely and I get it because the power of the handheld was limited, but I'm like, don't make the or what they would do to justify it. They would it would be like, like if it was Splinter Cell, they would be like, it's Splinter Cell double agent extra mission. I'm like, but there's nothing better about this version.

Warnurse (32:30.863)
Like what the hell?

Warnurse (32:37.269)
Right, right.

Warnurse (32:55.119)
It's like one very long level.

Projektitachi (32:58.23)
It's one very low level top down generic platformer.

Warnurse (33:03.343)
That's not, You know, I'm gonna call it now so if it happens, I can go, told you so.

If they ever remade, if they ever brought this game back from the grave right now, it would it would beat fortnight. And I will die on this hill. Did you ever play the the the game with the the green army game with the plastic green men?

Warnurse (33:40.845)
You never play it. hang on. Give me give me give me a second now.

Projektitachi (33:44.292)
Green Min sound familiar though.

Warnurse (33:48.664)
So.

Projektitachi (33:50.722)
I might have seen the cover art. Army men!

Warnurse (33:51.659)
It was actually called army men. Okay. Army men. Okay. Now, now, you know, I'm talking about, and you could use flame throwers on each other and like melt each other and like shoot each other. If they brought that game back from the grave right now, and they made it a massive multiplayer online, like FPS game or whatever they wanted to do, that game would fucking sell being able to run around and shoot plastic versions of each other with flame throwers and shit.

Projektitachi (33:56.812)
Yes. Yeah.

Warnurse (34:20.717)
Like that game was hilarious and fun and they had like funny dialogue and stuff and there was sort of a story mode and you could do like like missions with your friends and like like the little run. You like to do do do and like it was messed up because like you use the flamethrower and and like they would just put on like fall and I just I think that game would sell massively if they brought that back and they kept it.

Projektitachi (34:32.868)
Yeah, the way they waddle

Projektitachi (34:39.298)
and you'd literally melt them.

Projektitachi (34:48.735)
If you think that would sell.

Warnurse (34:50.211)
They kept it, you know, contained an original.

Projektitachi (34:54.296)
I think worms, if they brought that back.

Warnurse (34:57.135)
Yeah, worms too. Those games, I would love to see army men make a comeback. There was some game like it, I think on Steam that was very similar. It's called something else, but it didn't take off.

Projektitachi (34:58.788)
it.

Projektitachi (35:02.934)
Man, Armyman, that's way back.

Projektitachi (35:15.364)
I think the issue is to as our generation gets older, we just.

we're accepting that we're becoming our parents where our time is passing. So we're just holding on to the games we already have. And we're revisiting those games that we were able to hold on to because we're like the ones that we thought would be around forever, they're gone. The studios are gone. And the new games now, our games aren't as appealing to like our kids because

Warnurse (35:35.672)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (35:54.52)
The industry has strong armed live service. They've strong armed, you know, competitive games. So everything is online. Everything is competitive.

Warnurse (36:07.823)
Yeah, but I don't then the stall. thing is true and that'll go for every every generation will have their form of like what brings them in the stall. know, but

Projektitachi (36:18.584)
But how do you have nostalgia for Fortnite? Like how, like, what is that gonna look like in 20 years?

Warnurse (36:20.665)
But...

it for I don't be mad at me for the comparison. Okay. But fortnight for kids now might be what halo two was for us.

Projektitachi (36:36.334)
but we have something tangible for Halo. The thing with Halo is you can still play Halo 2 to this day. If you've got a working Xbox, you can have a LAN party. If you've got all the connections, you can still boot up a Halo 2 local lobby and go at it.

Warnurse (36:52.696)
Yeah.

Well, and they still have their servers are still running on. If you have the Master Chief collection, they're still servers. People say like, oh, the Halo servers are gone. If you have the Master Chief collection, the servers are still there. Go play the damn game. What are you talking about?

Projektitachi (37:00.45)
and they're still servers.

Projektitachi (37:08.002)
Yeah, and you can you can still have a solo experience with halo

Warnurse (37:14.985)
I think, I think, you know, their nostalgia will just be a little different. But with that said, though, it's not just nostalgia because the games we grew up with again were complete games that were fun and replayable and enjoyable with everyone versus now the live service is just not. It's there when it's there and then it's gone and then it's pay to play and then it's.

Projektitachi (37:46.616)
That's what I'm saying. Like when licenses run out, even if they go, well, yeah, you'll have the memory, but that'll literally be it. There will be no proof of your existence there because when the server shut down, all those companies that loaned out their license to Epic, they can revoke it. They can be like, all right, you've got our character for X amount of years or until you're

Warnurse (38:09.507)
Yeah, you can't take a disc and pop it in and like play it.

Projektitachi (38:12.962)
Yeah, all those characters you bought that built those memories, they're going to go away. There's literally, yeah, there's no stopping that.

Warnurse (38:18.617)
They'll die just like their dreams, just like their college education and their tuition. Sorry, but the economy is just getting.

Projektitachi (38:26.212)
But even with World of Warcraft, there's tangible evidence of its existence.

Warnurse (38:33.667)
That's actually, yeah, that's crazy to think about. Like if you bought all the expansions from day one and still have them, yeah.

Projektitachi (38:40.524)
You got physical evidence of his existence.

Warnurse (38:42.849)
And they're technically still usable and they do still sell the disc versions of the expansions.

Projektitachi (38:47.874)
Yeah. So it's like, yeah, the server shut down. You might not play anymore, but you've got that disk you can look at. You can pull out. I still do it every now and then. I might not play World of Warcraft, but I'm like, man, I remember when I bought the Battle Chess. I remember when I bought the Lich King. I remember when I bought the Panda Kingdom, whatever ones. I've got the proof of its existence. And I think that's why I'm I'm hesitant to get into a lot of live service games because I'm like,

When I get to that point where if I'm for some reason not any more able, I'm going to be able to play video games, but for some unforesaken reason, I'm, you not able to play.

Warnurse (39:28.675)
And by then you just strap some VR to your face and go to some shun shun or love whatever the fuck.

Projektitachi (39:31.524)
Yeah, I'm gonna and go through my gallery of games.

Strangle off frontiers level.

Warnurse (39:39.753)
Shung a fucking whatever the hell. I think of Adventure Time, the episode where they go to the human village and they find that all the humans are in boxes and they're in a virtual world because they're all actually old and dying. And they're being fed like I think through the straw is like really messed up. But it's safer, like it's like safer for them in there because they're scared of everything to.

Projektitachi (39:42.734)
but I'm just like, man, I feel bad.

Projektitachi (39:53.028)
Yeah.

year.

Projektitachi (40:01.262)
Hopefully we never get there.

Projektitachi (40:05.966)
plot twist, we're actually already there, we just don't remember, because part of our agreement was to not remember.

Warnurse (40:09.645)
I'd be so mad. I'd be so mad if I woke up and it was like somehow worse than this. I don't know. Like.

But yeah, I want I want army men to come back. The legend of the Jagoon remake. Nightmare creatures bring bring them back.

Projektitachi (40:19.171)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (40:27.906)
Well, all of you AAA companies out there sent on these licenses, please go dig up your old IP. Some are doing it. Some are reviving old IPs. But all you got to do is just remake it like you don't got to change too much. Like the story's already there and they were already loved and, you know, bring them back. Give them a second chance because because a lot of it's running dry out there. Like a lot of games were coming out, but

At the same time, nothing's been coming out and it's Like there's a lot of games out, but at same time, nothing's out because everything is the same. I mean, and if you want proof of that, just look at the Game Wars last year. There was a DLC up for Game of the Year that tells you all you need to know. There's not enough games coming out that are full, complete games. We need more.

Warnurse (41:01.571)
Yeah.

Projektitachi (41:25.348)
And you've got tons and tons and tons of IPs out there begging for a revival that are 20, 30 years old. So you can't, you know, you can't argue, oh, it's already been done. mean, Resident Evil got a remake. And you got games older than Resident Evil 4.

Warnurse (41:43.279)
You know, it's weird how like the movie industry will make the most remakes. They'll make all the remakes and they'll all almost all suck, right? But the gaming industry won't do the one they won't do. We want them to do it and they won't do it.

Projektitachi (41:56.492)
Yeah. We're like, please do remakes. And they're like, nah, we're going to do fresh IPs. Yeah.

Warnurse (41:59.471)
update the game a little bit and give it back to us like we're telling you it's okay to resell it to us just update a little bit. Let us buy it from you. They're like no paywall and then if they do they're like paywall behind tier three. What?

Projektitachi (42:08.866)
And I mean remakes, not remasters. So Sony, you're not doing the right thing. We mean full remakes, not remasters. Just throwing it out there. But anyway, guys, let us know your thoughts. Visit our website, gzchopshoppodcast.com. On the lower right hand, there's a little microphone that you can click to submit a voice clip that we might play on a future episode to revisit this topic to see what your guys' thoughts are on it. We'd love to hear from you.

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Warnurse (43:08.207)
Damn, are we really?

Projektitachi (43:09.22)
Yeah, we're like in the 160s pushing 170s at this point. So we've been we're moving along. So that's thanks to you guys constantly tuning in. So thank you guys so much. And we're looking forward to a future with you guys. We're going to be putting out all these episodes so that you guys can look back and enjoy them years from now. Just remember that at some point we were all here together. Anyway, take care of yourself and each other and we'll catch all you wonderful people on the next podcast.

later.