Return Of The Khan - An Interview With Patrick Gallagher

Patrick Gallagher (00:22.062)
How you doing? Just checking my hair.

Greg (00:24.854)
What is up, everybody? Welcome back to another week of the GZ Chop Shop. And today I am joined by a legend. This gentleman has graced our screens for years with his performances in movies, television and video games, with iconic roles such as Attila the Hun in Night of the Museum and Khotun Khan in the award winning game Ghost of Tsushima. Ladies and gentlemen, the one and only Patrick Gallagher. Welcome.

Patrick Gallagher (00:25.9)
Not that I can do about it.

Patrick Gallagher (00:53.89)
How you doing? How you doing? I'm waiting for this. I'm waiting for whoever this legend is you're talking about. Someone else coming on.

Greg (00:54.934)
to the podcast.

You are a legend to us, for sure.

Patrick Gallagher (01:03.843)
No.

Daniel (01:05.123)
I gotta ask just right off the bat for Khotun Khan. I have a hard time speaking. I was going back and rewatching the scenes from the game and just being at least a little familiar with some of your past characters that you've played in film.

Greg (01:14.688)
You can't have the hard time saying go to God.

Patrick Gallagher (01:19.148)
Because you're waiting for the legend to come, right?

Daniel (01:35.497)
and a couple and I think you were mad, were you mad Schultz and Tom Clancy?

Patrick Gallagher (01:40.684)
Yep. Yep.

Daniel (01:43.16)
would feel transitioning from those roles to being this evil menace.

Patrick Gallagher (01:52.622)
I mean, it was fun. It's like any other acting job. I think the thing that makes it easier is how much time it takes. You know, I mean, we started Ghost in March of 2017. And then I would do something and then I would come back four months later or six months later. You know, it takes a long time to do a game.

Daniel (02:03.234)
What do mean?

Daniel (02:08.718)
wow!

Patrick Gallagher (02:17.102)
Yeah, I think my first performance capture was March of 2017, the game came out in 2020 and over the course of three years I came back four or five times with big gaps in between. It's like any other job, you just shift from one to the other. I thought I looked cooler as Matt Schultz though, I like the long hair and all that stuff. Yeah, he could pull off a cowboy hat, I can't.

Daniel (02:33.056)
I was cracking.

Daniel (02:38.914)
You did you like a grit to you I was just I was cracking up watching the opening scene because Obviously we when we think of you it easily to mind we think of Attila the Han and that kind of comedic role you were in and then there you are Playing con

You throw fire on a guy and catch him on fire with no facial expression and then walk away and I'm like...

Patrick Gallagher (03:08.31)
That was that. That was a complete accident. I was trying to throw it somewhere else.

Daniel (03:16.466)
I'm like this is this like the total change between those two characters. It's just it was just really funny to me rewatching the scene and then thinking about like like that

Patrick Gallagher (03:24.172)
thank you. Yeah, it was. I did think I did think a little bit about how different it works until it was so comedic, but and I didn't use it much because it wasn't related. The one thing I did use it for was that Attila costume was about 40 pounds. And when you do performance capture, you're basically wearing a skin tight suit, which weighs nothing. And so I the way I used Attila for Koten was to remember what it felt like to have that kind of weight on because you need to get the walk.

So you're basically wearing, I don't know if you've died, you're basically wearing a diving suit.

Daniel (03:57.187)
I didn't even think about that. To me, was just thinking you were just bringing this character to life through voice, but you had to actually wear stuff.

Patrick Gallagher (04:04.91)
Yeah, I mean that was our faces, was us doing it. So that's where I went back to Attila, was to remember what it felt like to wear that costume so that I could get the walk of Coat and with all that armor on. So that's sort of where I related back to it.

Greg (04:26.548)
Now was Ghost of Tsushima your first time doing performance capture?

Patrick Gallagher (04:31.628)
No, Mad Schultz was performance capture as well. Yeah. Yeah. So there's, you know, I mean, I guess they all know there's, there's motion capture, which is just a movement. There's voice work, which is, you know, just in the studio. Then they animate it and then performance capture combines both of them. So luckily with Mad Schultz, I had learned a lot about performance capture because there's a lot of technique to it. You know, just the ways you need to work, you need to imagine everything. certain things like when you drink, you've got to drink like that.

Greg (04:33.654)
Mad Schultz.

Patrick Gallagher (05:01.432)
You know, can't, know, naturally as an actor you would fake it there, but you you need to put it there so they can animate it properly because the cameras are in your face. The hardest part about performance capture is you do have these cameras that are out to about here. So when you're doing really intimate scenes, know, close up, really kind of quiet stuff, that's where it gets a little bit more difficult because you, you know, you're sort of aware of these things. So a lot of those...

scenes I especially that first scene I had with what was his cousin what was his uncle's name my mind is going don't get old and the very first scene that very first one you know that was really close no for Kohton for for Kohton Khan yeah yeah

Greg (05:40.438)
Greg (05:43.956)
Yeah.

Daniel (05:44.323)
for Mad Mad Schultz. that was a while ago.

Greg (05:47.254)
For- for- for Kodakon. Like, he- when he first- first appears.

Daniel (05:52.61)
I don't remember his name. I know the character you're talking about.

Patrick Gallagher (05:54.562)
Yeah. Yeah. So that one, you're, you know, we're trying, you're trying to get right into his face to sort of say, listen, you know, we're the same, but you've got these, you know, these cameras sticking out. So, but I like it. It's, a, it's an interesting experience. It's certainly a skill that you need to learn as an actor because it is different from a lot of the stuff we do.

Daniel (06:16.972)
Do you have a character that you loved portraying more than anything else? Whether it was film or voice acting.

Patrick Gallagher (06:28.27)
I mean, I really loved playing Khotun was such a great character to play, such a great experience. The writing on that was really wonderful and it was really collaborative. I got to sort of create what I wanted to create out of him. I didn't want to play him as just an evil bastard. To me, he just had a job to do. I really loved playing Attila. I mean, was just a lot of work, those movies, because that was a hot, hot.

heavy costume, but that was so much fun to be part of. There's a couple of other shows I really enjoy doing Men of a Certain Age, just because it was such a great set to be on. Joe Pickett was an incredible experience, one of the best sets I've ever been on. That was recent on Paramount+. I enjoy all of them. I love working.

Greg (07:07.862)
you

Greg (07:16.778)
Now, I know the language of Attila, that you pretty much created it. It's like a... Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (07:25.518)
Yeah, pretty much made that up. Yeah, it wasn't written like that. The audition, the audition actually was in English. And I think, I think my lines were get me doomed. I love that game or something like that. And then when we did the callback, they wanted to show up and maybe he said, well, I don't know how to explain this. We're thinking that maybe he's not going to speak English. There's going to be some made up language. And I went.

So you want evil, you know, mid step Asian dictator circa 1250. And I just made it up on the spot. And then as we went along, you know, I wanted to hear what Mongolian sounded like. So would listen to it. I mean, what's kind of funny is there's a scene that was cut. My first scene I shot was in New York. We're trying to get his girlfriend out of the apartment. And my line was I could burn her out. I could fire an arrow, burn her out. So I found the word for fire.

arrow and burned a Mongolian and then built everything around that. And I didn't go back again for two weeks. And we just kind of make it up. But I realized I use that as sort of the basis of it. And then it just became really natural. You know, the key to that, I think one of the best compliments I got is

they screamed it and said, know, nobody actually questioned what you were saying. And the key to that was I was always thinking about what I was trying to say in my head. It didn't work if I didn't have an intention. So when I was saying something, I'd be thinking, but Larry, this is too dangerous. And I would have, it would come out that way. And what's interesting when we did the third one hadn't done it for a while. There was a first one up and Sean was so great that when I did my first scene, he said, I don't understand you. And the words weren't that different. It's just the intention wasn't there.

And the great thing is I'm the only voice that everybody around the world hears that I've never dubbed because you can't dub a made up language. And there are swear words sprinkled, there are swear words and interesting words sprinkled throughout it because I had to have some fun. So there's a crisp.

Daniel (09:20.226)
It's like the ultimate winging of a job.

Patrick Gallagher (09:23.662)
Yeah, I mean, there's a Krispy Kreme in there. I would ask people where their grandmother was born going foreign country. And if I like the sound of the town, I would throw that in. There's an FU mother effort in there. I'm not going to tell you.

Daniel (09:40.194)
You're really just throwing darts like, this sounds great, and everyone's like, yeah!

Patrick Gallagher (09:40.236)
And then there's one word.

Well, yeah, I know that early on Guillermo, was our director of photography, asked me, are you making up? I said, yeah. And I joked, I said, I'm swearing. And I joked and I said, I'm swearing. He goes, I bet you can't say the puta madre. I said, I'll do, I'll throw it in, not even in rehearsal. I'll throw it in the cut. when we're filming, you won't even hear it.

Because you can kind of, you just got to go, you just got to go, oh, I know what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you the hard thing about that was we have to, a lot of times you have to do what's called ADR. You have to loop it afterwards because the sounds got great. And that's hard to loop because I was just making it up as I go along. I mean, we would find key phrases that we liked, like Poonala was pole.

Daniel (10:04.704)
It's funny because I-

Daniel (10:10.836)
It's funny because that's something I would definitely do and get away with.

Patrick Gallagher (10:33.154)
you know, I would kind of experiment with it, you know, in collaboration with Sean and, you know, make sure that those words were matching the scene. But when you had to loop it afterwards in the studio, match your mouth movement, that's really, really hard because it wasn't really words. So, but yeah, there's where there's one, there's one clear as day, my mother's Chinese Indonesian. So there's one clear as day word that I put out as an homage to my mother's heritage, which is Jebak.

one. Jabak means wipe your bum. And then when my aunts and uncles saw they're like what the hell did you just say? said only Indonesians will know, it'll be fine. So that's the one homage to my heritage. Jabak Ler.

Greg (11:11.401)
You

Daniel (11:16.906)
Indonesians around the world playing this game. Little confused.

Patrick Gallagher (11:20.076)
Yeah, a little confused. Why is he gonna, why do they want them to wipe Dick Van Dyke's bum? I don't get it.

Greg (11:20.086)
You

Daniel (11:26.306)
They just kind of glaze over it. That's funny.

Greg (11:28.464)
Yeah, okay. I'm just trying to figure out like, you know, when you're when you're standing across from Ben Stiller now, you know, you both had like, in my opinion, equal comedic presence in that movie. What was it like behind the scenes when you two were just delivering these lines? Because Ben, he was really just making up sounds when you pay attention. He's just making up sounds and you're like meshing together different languages and and everything. You guys are delivering this to each other.

Patrick Gallagher (11:55.352)
Yeah, it was a pretty incredible experience. I he's such a generous actor and he's so great at the comedy stuff. I learned a lot from him. I was, I just sort of sat back and went with it and watched him work. he was, when it comes down to action, it's just actor to actor. But a lot of what we did was just improv on the go. I mean, that magic scene, all they said is you're gonna do magic with Larry.

Okay, I mean I was really nervous when I know that was a long time ago and I was with all these really heavy hitters doing this part that I didn't really know what I was doing. And Robin Williams was incredible to be around, know, he actually really helped a lot because early on I was nervous. I think he could tell and hindsight I know he did this on purpose but.

Early on, think second or third day I did something. He just walked by and said, that was really funny. I think he knew that I was nervous and knew that if I heard about William say it was funny, I would get confidence, you So that's the kind of guy he was. He was fantastic. But yeah, we just kind of went with it and you just kind of go and you know, Ben is so good at it. You follow his lead. You take the advice that scene we ran together. That was all all we had planned was to run together and go all that. All that stuff he came up with with, you know.

you were somebody cut a tail, all that stuff was him. And I just kind of tried to go with it as best I could. And the crying part, I think my instinct said to do it and I didn't quite follow through. So he thought it'd be funny. So we actually shot that like two months later, we actually broke down and cried in that first part.

But I just remember I was there one day and it was Ben Stiller, Rob Williams, and Ricky Gervais. And I remember this thing, he just called cut so I can just hear these guys talk to each other. it was so, I mean, they were so funny and they were so professional. was a really amazing experience to be around all of that. I learned a lot about acting and about how to act in comedy and act in general, so.

Greg (14:00.874)
And you've been around a lot of heavy hitters and you've pretty much have been in a plethora of genres. Do you still get nervous even in your, your veteran years?

Patrick Gallagher (14:13.112)
Yeah, yeah, I mean, all the time. I don't know if nervous is the word. Sometimes it's nervous. I think I get nervous if I don't feel like it. If I get nervous and I know I haven't prepared enough, or I'm not sure that I understand the part, and then you just have to deal with that. Yeah, I get a little bit nervous, you know, it's, I think it's natural. I think you're not really, at least to me, I'm not really prepared, or I'm not really ready to do it.

Patrick Gallagher (14:43.694)
learn how to handle a little bit better. mean, there's a lot of, I mean, it's just acting, but there's a lot at stake within, within the, you know, the area that we've decided to work in. You know, it's not like, you know, a lot of stake for the world, but you know, they're paying good money. You know, time is really important. You want to go and do a good job. You want to honor the character. You want to honor the story. So yeah, so you worry about that. And then when you get on site, you just go with your instincts. Yeah, I'm getting nervous.

Daniel (15:11.409)
thank God, because I wake up nervous.

Patrick Gallagher (15:14.334)
Yeah, I I think it's part of life. I mean, every once in a while when you work with a really icon or really fantastic actor, a big star, yeah, sometimes that's when I get the most nervous thinking, can I match them? And then you've got to calm your nerves because if you're nervous, you're scared. If you're scared, you can't do this because so much of acting is just about being relaxed and open.

Greg (15:15.296)
starts the day nervous.

Daniel (15:17.548)
start off nervous.

Patrick Gallagher (15:42.446)
willing to make mistakes. That's what was so great about night of museums. I would say 30 to 40 % of that was improv by everybody. know, Sean Levy was so great with me that I would just throw out ideas and he had something I think called like the Gallagher method. And I said, what's that? said, well, you'd have five terrible ideas, but I know the six would be a gem. But that's a really great way to work when you're not afraid of, because not every idea is great, but you can sometimes find the great idea by going through the ideas that aren't that great. And I like to work like.

We need to throw something out. And then you've got to have enough of an ego that you don't worry that it's a terrible idea. You've got to be willing to do stupid stuff. Because sometimes it just doesn't work. But something then will lead to something else. You're like, OK, that's a gem. So I like to work like that. But I love working. So that helps with the nerves. They have free food, so I wouldn't. love

You know, the free food. Yeah, that's reason I do it.

Greg (16:39.382)
I'm you mentioned the, you know, that still getting...

Daniel (16:45.26)
the phone.

Greg (16:46.134)
food. But, you know, it's, it's, it's great that you mentioned that, you know, even you still get nervous. I don't know if a lot of people know this too, like, you know, Danny and I, we've been doing this podcast for well over five years and you know, when we try to, you know, have guests on and even before we start recording the episode, I get those nerves, you know, I'm just like, you know, we got this person who's established in there in their career, they're doing great things. How do I

Patrick Gallagher (16:46.338)
Yeah.

Greg (17:16.374)
bring that out. How do I let the world know, you know, how do I do them justice? And it's like, are you know, just get through the get through the intro, let the world know how amazing they are. And then just get in, get into it. So like, it's great hearing that, you know, even a veteran like yourself gets nervous because every time even even when it's just Daniel and I get ready to press record, I'm just like, oh, I'm nervous.

Patrick Gallagher (17:40.556)
Yeah, I think you do a great job, but I think it's natural. think that it means that it, I think it's indicative of how much it means to us. And I think that that helps. You know, I think we're not going to get nervous about stuff that's not important to us, you know, but I think.

Daniel (17:54.967)
Especially when what you do for a living is something that brings you a lot of joy. Regardless of the obstacles in front of you.

Patrick Gallagher (18:00.012)
Yeah, yeah, and that's the net.

Absolutely. And then you realize that, you know, in your head you realize that your nerves are unwarranted, you know, but your body's going to do what it's going to do. But I think it's just your body preparing you to get to the place you need to be.

Daniel (18:13.441)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (18:19.342)
Cuz they go away, like you said, once you hit record they go away. Once I got upset, it goes away. The nerves are basically driving the worker when you first show up. If you got a really big scene or lot of some really stuff that's gonna take a lot of acting chops or that kind of, those are the days you'll feel a little bit nervous. Just cuz you wanna do a good job, you wanna be prepared.

cut it around.

Greg (18:49.802)
Now you landed this iconic character of Khan and you've actually been in video games since 2006. You've done a lot of voice work. actually in, you've loaned your voice in Assassin's Creed Shadows. So guys keep an ear out.

Patrick Gallagher (19:04.768)
Yep, I think I have five characters in that. Yeah, four. Yeah, yeah. The new one came out and Ubisoft has been great for me. I think I have five different characters in that. There's a couple of games that I'm doing that, hey, get down. We're about to move on that. A lot of those kind of stuff, because I went to theater school and can yell for two hours without messing my voice up. My first one ever was

Daniel (19:08.106)
forgot about Assassin's Creed Shadows. It's been a while since I played that game.

Greg (19:10.324)
Yep, gazed.

Patrick Gallagher (19:34.35)
Just the performance capture on The Last of Us in 2007. I've always loved that job, because that got me my healthcare that year. Because I guess the lead of it had a knee problem or something. I was sort of, because I was a little bit bigger back then, so was his body style. I would be there as his character doing all of the moving stuff. So that was my first experience with it. I don't like being in that suit. I don't think anyone should have to see me in that suit, including myself.

Greg (20:02.58)
You

Patrick Gallagher (20:05.816)
There's really not much you can do about it.

Greg (20:09.716)
Now, Daniel is trying to get himself in into voice acting. Yes, I'm totally throwing him under the bus here.

Patrick Gallagher (20:17.198)
Well, I have a question. How come you get to be hosted? He gets to be cohost. You guys switch that every week or do you? there? Is there a hierarchy?

Greg (20:24.736)
You

Daniel (20:24.954)
He like five years ago, five years ago or so he reached out to me. We were in the Navy together before, like before all the like way, like what, like 15, 20 years ago. And then we reconnected and he reached out to me to be on the show, just to be on the show one day. And I was like, yeah, sure. And it was my first time ever.

Patrick Gallagher (20:26.946)
Like is it whoever comes in first?

Patrick Gallagher (20:40.397)
Yeah.

Daniel (20:54.806)
doing anything like this. apparently people liked it. So he talked me into doing a couple more episodes and then somehow he calmed me into staying for five years.

Greg (21:06.836)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (21:09.782)
which is great, but did he outrank you in the Navy?

Daniel (21:14.1)
No, we were in same rank.

Greg (21:14.654)
yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (21:15.918)
So why is he hosting? You're only the co-host. Do you guys switch that around? Is it because he came on? Did he start it? You came on second? I'm just like, you I'm just.

Greg (21:19.168)
You

Daniel (21:25.755)
no, he just, he, this was originally his show and he, had started the entire thing and then he, he asked me to be on one day and then, yeah, yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (21:29.1)
Okay.

Patrick Gallagher (21:33.55)
Okay, see that was my coat and stuff. I trying to stir up shit, you know? Okay.

Greg (21:36.947)
Actually, what happened was he and I, had a duel and, you know, he slipped and fell and it was my victory.

Patrick Gallagher (21:45.922)
Got it, got it, got it, got it. See that was like, that was a coding thing where I tried to, know, sew internal strife in that way, you know, you could conquer it if you did that. I was just kidding. Okay.

Greg (21:53.302)
Yo, you definitely... I was literally looking at you.

Daniel (21:53.699)
He did a great job, by the way. But it's for the best because when it comes to anything that's kind of scripted or I guess any form of professionalism with words, he's way better at it than I am. I can do things more on the fly and impromptu, but I can't do things like he can, like with introductions and whatnot.

Patrick Gallagher (22:09.102)
Right.

Patrick Gallagher (22:18.318)
Right. Now I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just taking a piss. Just don't let them start calling it a sidekick. Yeah. Cause it says host. So just don't make it host and don't let it go to host and sidekick or something like

Greg (22:23.036)
So and so in the seas of chaos and codon style.

Daniel (22:26.661)
Yeah

Greg (22:30.847)
Hahaha

Daniel (22:32.64)
Batman and Robin. But like which Robin? It depends.

Patrick Gallagher (22:33.72)
Yeah, okay. Yeah. Sorry, Greg. What was your question?

Greg (22:38.644)
No.

Daniel (22:39.202)
I love that like intrusive thought he had and then it won and then it just took over

Greg (22:45.078)
It went in there. I was sitting here thinking I was like, uh-oh, the seeds of chaos have been so... After this episode, he's gonna be like, you know, how about I host next week's episode?

Patrick Gallagher (22:47.854)
Ha!

Daniel (22:51.298)
I'm gonna sit on this for about a week and then I'm gonna just send you an email I'm not even gonna text you I'm just gonna send you a professional email

Patrick Gallagher (23:02.184)
Get ChatGP to do it. I would now like to refer to this post, post, Daniel.

Daniel (23:05.558)
And then at the bottom, I'll sign it. Yeah.

I'm gonna give you some ideas about me being host.

Greg (23:14.498)
man, you know what? Yeah, to send that to my assistant that does not exist.

Patrick Gallagher (23:20.078)
There you go. Sorry about that. So we were asking the question.

Greg (23:25.046)
Actually, I was going to say I know that you were big in arcades back in the day.

Patrick Gallagher (23:34.244)
yeah, loved arcades. the old arcades. mean, I'm, I'm significantly older than you guys, but yeah, when I'm, we would just go to the arcades with the rules of quarters and just go play the game standing up. there's still one open in my hometown of Vancouver is last. know I was, haven't been there since 2022, but it's still open at the corner of.

Grammell and Smythe, Movie Land Arcade. And it's been there since I remember going there in 1984. And it's, nobody knows why it's still open to same twin brothers that own it. And you can still go in there and play the standup games. think they still have, the last I was there, they had a Gallagher. And it's, yeah, it's one of the few. That was part of my youth is going with the quarters, to, you know, try to finally win Wizard of War and Donkey Kong standing up, that we would play that.

space. It's the same arcade. It's called movieland arcade at corner of grandma's. You can look it up right now and see if it's still open. The last time I was there in 2022 was still open. So we don't know whether it's a tax. Yeah, we don't know whether it's a tax dodge or tax thing because we have those. Well, because because Granville Street is a is a pretty, you know, it's a pretty price. Vancouver is a pricey town and that's a pretty pricey real estate. And that little arcade has just been there since.

Daniel (24:23.158)
The same arcade's been there since the 80s?

Daniel (24:33.282)
That is so cool!

Daniel (24:38.305)
text

Greg (24:38.966)
PaxDash.

Greg (24:46.486)
Mm.

Patrick Gallagher (24:50.496)
I was in high school, we would start going there.

Daniel (24:53.334)
They got grandfathered into the street. Just no taxes for you while everyone else is paying everything.

Patrick Gallagher (24:56.206)
Yeah, and I think when I was up there last, it was still open and people still go in. Everyone said, well, whenever I go in, just go in, throw it out and throw it out on a looney or a toonie and play a stand-up video.

Daniel (25:08.94)
That is astonishing. That's awesome. Good for them though. That's pretty amazing.

Patrick Gallagher (25:13.366)
Yeah, so if you're in Vancouver and you want to play stand up video games and relive your youth, I think that's still there.

Daniel (25:21.314)
I've never been to like an old old arcade like that. I think that'd be pretty cool to visit. We have arcades here, a few of them. I do the arcade. I go maybe once a month. But it's more of a mix of like old school retro arcades and then like the the pinball machines and all that. And then it has some of the newer games in there, like Guitar Hero and stuff too. So it's kind of a mix.

Patrick Gallagher (25:33.923)
Nice.

Patrick Gallagher (25:44.308)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know some of the restaurants, I don't know which one it is, David Buster's, think it's thrown sort of that. So I think they still make the really modern fancy.

Daniel (25:57.771)
I think arcades are becoming popular again with a modern twist on them.

Patrick Gallagher (26:01.356)
Yeah. But they're not a quarter anymore because, we.

Daniel (26:05.932)
They're not a quarter anymore. No, no, I think the one I go to, I think it's like it's all it's all you can play. You can stay as long as you want to play, but I think it's something like 12 or 15 dollars per person.

Greg (26:06.325)
that that

Patrick Gallagher (26:16.898)
Yeah, that would have lasted me nine hours and 86.

Greg (26:19.19)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You go in with a stack of quarters, you find your game and you could be there for hours.

Daniel (26:19.456)
Yeah

Patrick Gallagher (26:24.236)
Yeah, yeah. And you have enough quarters to get home on the bus and maybe buy an ice cream cone after even after seven hours. It had no good year. I was never great at them. I was always, you know, smashing the keys, hoping that would help. But it never did.

Daniel (26:40.354)
Yeah, I do this thing where I play one for about five minutes and lose And then I go on to the next one. Don't get me started on the original Frogger by the way that entire game is a scam

Patrick Gallagher (26:44.502)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (26:49.915)
yeah. Well yeah, all it is is side to side trying to avoid getting getting hit by stuff, but it's still harder,

Greg (26:51.379)
Daniel (26:55.97)
It's the end, it's the end. Like you make it to the logs and then you have to get the, what is it, the insects or whatever, or the other frogs at the little sections, but they keep disappearing and changing. That's the part I struggle with.

Patrick Gallagher (27:09.058)
Yeah, yeah. Sorry, something's bouncing on the bottom.

Greg (27:15.574)
I used to have an arcade, what used to be called Shelton Ham Mall in my area here in Philly. And I used to go after school sometimes or on the weekends and I go in and I suck at fighting games, but I love fighting games. And that's where I would spend a lot of my time trying to get through like Street Fighter.

trying to and then in arcade you could unlock like those secret fighters if you did certain things and I would play those or I would play like zombie shooters like House of the Dead. You know, I.

Patrick Gallagher (27:45.813)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (27:54.126)
Yeah, that's still there. I would play House of the Dead at Movieland. Yeah, I used love those kind of games.

Greg (27:59.542)
I loved I loved House of the Dead. I sucked at it, but I just I just loved those rail shooters so much. then the what they call bullet hells like 1942 when the yell and you're just. The aircraft. Yep.

Patrick Gallagher (28:07.629)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (28:14.198)
Yes. You know, look. Yeah, you can choose all. Yeah, they still have that. That's when I play a movie land as well. You can still change all your airplanes. You can be the bomber or spit fire or must.

Daniel (28:16.002)
Is that the one with the air- you're the airplane? That's the one I was just thinking of.

Daniel (28:27.562)
I was so bad at that game.

Greg (28:29.462)
I think we all were. I think everybody was.

Patrick Gallagher (28:29.868)
Yeah, I'm pretty bad at it too. I would just hit the, I remember all I know is the left button drops the bomb, so I'd be trying to drop the bombs all

Daniel (28:38.114)
I've always wondered if there's an end to that game and has anyone ever reached it.

Patrick Gallagher (28:43.51)
Don't know.

Greg (28:44.586)
Yeah, that's actually a good question. Some of these games actually don't have to have endings, but that's how they got your quarters. I used to love watching when the guys that work there, they would empty the machines. I don't know why I found it so fascinating just to empty that thing. And it was be heavy with quarters and they get those big money bags and they're dumping all here. Then the whole arcade. And I'm like, well, there goes my allowance for the week.

Patrick Gallagher (28:51.181)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (29:02.668)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (29:12.014)
Yeah, and they make a lot of money and I think some of I think they may have switched some of the games that movie land to a card but a lot when I was like I said, as as far back as 2020 there was still quarters. So a lot of quarters. That's I decide why I don't actually play video games now I've I don't I mean I would I wouldn't even get off the beach if I played Ghost of Tsushima I'm terrible at.

Greg (29:27.894)
I...

Patrick Gallagher (29:36.686)
I don't really understand it. I'm a Switch guy. I like the Nintendo stuff because that stuff I find easy. yeah, I've never played it once. I don't really know how to play video games. I think the last game I played was PlayStation 1 with that skeleton that was jumping over stuff, whatever game that was. Yeah, I'm in evil. That's the last one I played. Yeah, and I don't have a PlayStation, Sony. I don't have a PlayStation.

Greg (29:53.558)
I think it's medieval.

Daniel (29:57.089)
medieval.

What do you- what else, Sony? What do you like to play on the Switch?

Patrick Gallagher (30:06.409)
Uh, volleyball. Yeah, yeah, I used to like the Wii sports. That's, that's the one I used to like. Yeah, but now, you know, they don't have, I don't have Wii anymore, so I like the sports stuff. You know, that's the kind of stuff I like.

Daniel (30:07.104)
Are Nintendo and you said volleyball?

the Wii Sports, okay.

Daniel (30:19.648)
I just remembered that we with the they didn't have the straps at first and people were throwing them at the TV.

Patrick Gallagher (30:23.552)
Yeah, throw it. Yeah. I used to love the Wii tennis and the Wii bowling and all that stuff. That's that's that's my speed.

Greg (30:23.562)
You

Daniel (30:28.736)
The whole thing, the. The rebarring was a that's the one I really liked. Except for the throwing it at my TV part. Because I was one of those people. The what?

Greg (30:35.978)
Yeah, I like loopholeing.

Patrick Gallagher (30:36.524)
Yeah, I like that. And the boxing was fun. They had the wee boxing dude in there, wee boxing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was fun. Not when you're drunk though.

Greg (30:43.499)
we boxing, yeah.

Daniel (30:43.869)
I forgot about that!

Daniel (30:49.954)
Drunk, drunk, we sports. That's gotta be a blast.

Patrick Gallagher (30:51.918)
not that so I've heard. Yeah, because then you're like, I'm just gonna. Yeah, they use. They do this like I'm just gonna smack you for real because you know, this is that I can really win. So I've heard why is Mike? Why does Mike sorry my audacity keeps bouncing?

Greg (31:13.322)
You gotta love when technology doesn't work in your favor for anyone who doesn't know. I just got to say that Patrick has been such a great person to talk to and a gentleman. We actually had done an episode prior, but technology wanted to explode. Everything, you know, fell apart and all that stuff. We don't need to get into the details of it, but thank you, Patrick, for giving.

Patrick Gallagher (31:13.326)
trying to quit my...

Patrick Gallagher (31:40.554)
no problem. I thought it was because you said I have to do it again so I can put co-host down.

Greg (31:41.344)
giving us some more of your time. really appreciate it. And also...

Greg (31:50.71)
We weren't supposed to talk about that on the...

Patrick Gallagher (31:52.654)
Sorry, sorry.

Daniel (31:54.678)
I'm gonna write you an email the same way I Epic when they made me mad.

Greg (31:57.076)
Yes, send it to my non-existing assistant. I told you already.

Patrick Gallagher (31:59.81)
That's right. No, but it's a pleasure talking to you the first time. I'm glad we could, you

Greg (32:05.033)
And a huge shout out to Louis Manalo as well for bringing us together. Such a...

Patrick Gallagher (32:06.99)
Yes, Lewis got us. Lewis connected us. Yeah, he wrote, think he was a writer on, on, I still have his sunglasses that I liked. He gave me his sunglasses off his head, actually, because I really liked them. I still have them, you know, because I have a really big head and the sunglasses actually were some of the few that fit, so.

Greg (32:15.751)
Ghost Recon Wildlands.

Daniel (32:31.106)
How come you've never given me some sunglasses, Greg?

Greg (32:34.634)
We will talk about it later.

Patrick Gallagher (32:35.997)
Hahaha!

Greg (32:39.52)
But do you have anything else that you've collected from like previous acting jobs? I know sometimes some actors get to come back with like a little souvenir or something.

Patrick Gallagher (32:48.846)
Yeah, I have my teeth from Master and Commander because they, you know, they wanted us to have really bad teeth. Apparently mine were hard to make because my teeth are pretty well shaped. So I've got my bad teeth from that. I've got a scarf from that. Grabbed a piece of rope from that. have the hat from Knight of Museum, but they gave me the backup hat. So I only wore that once. I, you know, I went through all the rigmarole and I didn't want to go back through it getting the original hat. So I've got the hat.

I've got, you you keep a little souvenir. You know, you keep a police badge here, a mug here. I've got some stuff from Joe Pickett.

What else do I have? A couple things I stole, so I'm not gonna tell you what they are.

Greg (33:35.466)
That is awesome.

Patrick Gallagher (33:35.662)
So yeah, but I think you like to collect. It's good, it's just good memories. It's good to have something to remember this great job you were able to be a part of. So yeah, like tail of the hat sitting right up there actually.

Greg (33:53.238)
It's like, you know, the collecting trophies. Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (33:57.442)
Yeah, yeah, I it's kind of nice to look back on some of it and you look at it you remember what it was like to be there and how much fun it was. I mean, some of it's a long time ago. I still have my, I think I still have, I think I still have my Ken Tanaka school badge from Glee.

Greg (34:18.976)
Nice.

Well, I know you're very busy and you've got things you got to take care of today, so I don't want to take up too much more of your time.

Patrick Gallagher (34:27.337)
I get a bit of time. You got to co-host now, so we got to go a little longer. You might have questions too.

Greg (34:30.043)
I do want to the sabotage continues.

Patrick Gallagher (34:37.972)
Hahaha!

Greg (34:40.554)
But I wanted to ask, how did you feel about your duel with Jin in Ghosts of Tsushima?

Patrick Gallagher (34:46.937)
he got, man, he got, I slipped.

Daniel (34:50.77)
I slipped.

Patrick Gallagher (34:51.948)
And he got lucky, you know. It's all part of, it's all part of Cotten's master plan. I know that if he killed, it's a little bit like, in my mind, it's a little bit like an Obi-Wan thing. I'll become more powerful than you've ever known. And he slipped.

Daniel (34:54.9)
I-

Greg (35:04.404)
You

Daniel (35:05.024)
And then, and then you, I say on the bridge, you slipped and just pushed him right off the, off the bridge.

Patrick Gallagher (35:12.25)
that was on purpose. The fire stuff was all by accident. I was just hot. I was just cold. You know, so funny.

Daniel (35:18.272)
Him living, by the way, is a mystery to me. Him living from that fall will always be a mystery to me.

Patrick Gallagher (35:24.098)
Well, you was was he was highly skilled, I guess. I think it was in the water. But we used to joke because the first character that I burned is a fail. The great fator chin. His character was named Adachi. So we were on a twitch once and I said we need to make an Adachi hibachi. But never came to fruition. Because because poor fator, I burnt he was the one I burnt out the castle to fator got burned to lot. He's good at burning screaming.

Greg (35:27.062)
Yeah, he was a...

Patrick Gallagher (35:53.816)
So, but yeah, that was a, I will just, for the record, Colton slipped. Otherwise, I would have kicked his ass.

Greg (36:05.526)
All right, well, you guys heard it. guess there's no debate. Jin got lucky. Koten slipped.

Patrick Gallagher (36:07.886)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, it's a beautiful game. I'm really proud to be part of that. You know, I just, like I said, I'm just not a gamer, so I haven't really played much of it.

I do have a lot of, it was kind of funny because I would just get a lot of, I just killed you. I get a lot of messages, I just killed you, I just killed you, I just killed you. I enjoyed killing you, I had a lot of fun killing you. My niece texted me and said, I just killed you. I'm like, great. I happy you had so much pleasure out of killing me, but you know.

Greg (36:23.296)
Mm-hmm.

Greg (36:39.059)
Okay.

Yeah, that's actually a very interesting point to have like you're in a game and you know, your kid gets the game and you're the bad guy and you just happen to walk by as your kid is fighting you the final boss and you just watch your

Daniel (36:44.866)
Peace.

Patrick Gallagher (36:55.744)
Yeah, yeah, I hate you and I just killed you. I hate you. I just killed you. Like, okay, thanks. Love you too. You know.

Greg (37:03.966)
Like, yeah, that wasn't awkward at all.

Patrick Gallagher (37:07.372)
But it's better than it means I was in the game. So it's better than not being in it. Nobody say they enjoy killing your character.

Greg (37:15.798)
and you're a permanent part of history.

Patrick Gallagher (37:16.074)
I got a lot of that. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of it. They did an incredible job. I've seen people play it. I've watched all the cut scenes. That's what's so amazing with video games too, now is the cut scenes are movies. I kind of just sometimes go on YouTube and watch people cut the scenes together in chronological order. It's like watching a really good movie sometimes.

Greg (37:32.854)
Yeah.

Daniel (37:45.379)
It's amazing how video games nowadays it's it's you get to be so immersed into a story versus even 15 20 years ago just how good the cinematics are

Patrick Gallagher (37:45.699)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (37:52.728)
Yeah.

Greg (37:56.587)
Mmm.

Patrick Gallagher (37:56.854)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty incredible, you know, and I who knows where it's going to go next, you know, with the technology and AI and all

Daniel (38:05.676)
some crazy virtual reality stuff.

Patrick Gallagher (38:08.014)
Yeah, a lot of it is just kind of meshing, know, film, television, video games, it's all sort of becoming some of the same stuff in a lot of ways. So it'll be interesting to see what the future holds. The AI as a consumer, it's really exciting. know, so many industries, it's a little bit daunting. We're not sure what it's going to do for us. But like I said, as someone who's a consumer of

Daniel (38:32.012)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (38:35.52)
of entertainment. Yeah, I sort of see the appeal of what it could do. It is a little scary though that they... Yeah, interactive and I, you know, I mean, people put together their own little things on YouTube. I'm a little late to the game on YouTube, but you see some amazing stuff where people put together, they come together these movies based on video games that they put together themselves and, you know, yeah.

Greg (38:41.086)
I feel like we're gonna head into a future where movies are interactive.

Daniel (39:01.728)
Yeah, there's some pretty extraordinary like little mini movies that people have made.

Patrick Gallagher (39:07.062)
It's just hard now because sometimes I can't tell if a trailer is real or not. I didn't think the Tron movie was a real movie because I've seen so many fake trailers on YouTube. Apparently the Tron.

Greg (39:14.224)
you

Daniel (39:15.246)
Remember when IGN got us with that fake Zelda trailer back in the day? was a long time ago, but it was a good looking... I'm sure it's still on YouTube, fake Zelda trailer.

Greg (39:19.646)
Yes, I remember the Zelda trailer.

Greg (39:27.54)
Yep, I thought it was real.

Patrick Gallagher (39:27.916)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So but apparently Tron is a real movie, so I'm looking forward to that because I'm old enough to have seen the original Tron and boy was that technology back then. That was pretty cool stuff back then.

Greg (39:32.982)
You

Greg (39:41.814)
And it's going to be great seeing the positives of, know, where video games are heading, where movies are are heading. It's it's it's going to be. Interesting to say the to say the least.

Patrick Gallagher (39:55.136)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is exciting. Like I said, it's all starting to kind of mesh together. They can bring back deceased actors, which is sort of fascinating and a little bit scary at the same time. Especially the Star Wars stuff, they bring back Peter Cushing. It's hard to tell that it's not real sometimes.

Greg (40:11.061)
Yeah.

Greg (40:21.822)
Yeah, that it's fascinating like, like as the consumer, but you know, I wonder how the actors would feel if they knew like, how would that would you be okay with that? You know?

Patrick Gallagher (40:34.578)
You know, in 30 years when I'm gone, as long as they, you know, they pay my family, I'm fine with it. You know, I mean, yeah.

Daniel (40:41.954)
mean, it's the things like the legal aspects of it is where the challenge is.

Greg (40:44.502)
Yeah, the legalities.

Patrick Gallagher (40:47.466)
Yeah, and it's you know, it's not really your performance. So that's what you're wondering about. But you know, I'm just you who knows what I ask.

I mean, it's never really fully our performance anyway. A lot of it is the editors. The editors never get enough credit for what they see from actors on screen. I've always been surprised that actors don't thank the editors more when they win awards because they're the ones that put together the performance. They pick which take they're going to put together. So I've watched stuff going, that's interesting. That was from take three that they threw in here and added it, which made a really interesting moment.

So shout out to the editors, because they can make us look really good.

Greg (41:31.39)
Yeah, and like when we were talking about, you know, a performance capture, that's that's a very valid point because, know, you're walking around, not an actual costume. You know, you're you're suited up. You've got your camera. But, you know, the editors, the VFX and everyone, they make it. They make it come to life and.

Patrick Gallagher (41:44.237)
Yeah.

Patrick Gallagher (41:48.77)
Those guys, yeah.

Yeah, it's funny too, because you're carrying on this foam light sword and they see it and you're like, wow, they made that kick-ass axe. But yeah, the video game stuff, what they can do is incredible as well. I imagine that's why it takes so long to do it.

Greg (42:10.998)
So my final question and probably the most important one of the entire episode, Patrick, do you think Daniel's got a chance in acting?

Patrick Gallagher (42:21.262)
Anybody's got a chance at acting. I think we talked about it last time, you know, it's, it's, it's not like the nice thing is it's not like a job where you need to have years of experience to learn this to go to the next level. You know, it's not like you need to learn this. Now I'm assuming when you're in the Navy, you had to learn this machine or whatever. So I'm showing my experience of my lack of knowledge, but this machine to work on that machine to work on that system to work on that system. You can just start anywhere. mean,

Greg (42:47.328)
Mm-hmm.

Patrick Gallagher (42:49.614)
Acting, it's oversimplified, but I kind of bring it a little bit down to just know yourself and show yourself. Really, it's just about conquering your fear and finding your truth. There's no right way to do anything. There's your way to do it. mean, know a lot. Everybody I ever compete against, not even compete, but anybody I'm auditioning against for a job, well, if I get that job, I'm not a better actor than those guys are. I know all of them. I'm just right for that role.

So it's never about the right way to do it. It's about finding truth. Because I had a great teacher, Joe Police, who I'll never forget. He said, it's a little bit like magic. You get all these people together that go put this movie together. They do their performances. And then two years later, they project it on light onto a wall. And it makes you feel emotion.

And like that is pretty magical, you know, it's about finding human truths. That's the part I enjoy about it is exploring the human experience. That's why it's so much fun to play bad guys, because I consider myself a pretty good human being, but you we all have a dark side and you get to safely explore that.

Greg (44:02.41)
to explore.

Daniel (44:03.367)
That's a wonderful, wonderful way to look at it.

Patrick Gallagher (44:06.638)
Yeah, you know, I mean, that's part of the fun of it is it's a little scary because sometimes you're like, OK, I'm going need to show what's in my deep dark psyche here because this is what my instincts are to play this character. But that's also exciting as well. know, and I think that anybody can do it. You know, I think I can't remember his name. We talked about this last time he was the.

He was a Colonel that killed himself and a few good men. I think it was J.T. Walsh, I think was his name. I think I read somewhere that he didn't start acting until he was 50. You know, the great thing is there's always gonna be a part for you, you know? It's not like it's all 20 year olds. When you're 20, you're gonna play 20 year old parts. When you're 30, you're gonna play 30 year olds. When you're 40, you're play 40 year olds. You know, I sort of look at it this way. I played a lot of cost, but that's sort of the...

Greg (44:36.437)
Hmm.

Patrick Gallagher (44:55.212)
The arc of the career is when you started out playing uniform cops, then I got older, I played detectives, and got older, I played captains, and now you're playing like former cops, you know, because I'm in my 50s. Yeah, but the rules are always still there. So, you you just got to, I say follow the dream, you know, anybody who says there's an actor as much of an actor as I am, I believe. It's not about how much you've worked. It's about, it's about.

Greg (45:04.573)
You

Daniel (45:06.57)
and making rank as you get older.

Greg (45:08.022)
You

Patrick Gallagher (45:27.374)
deciding that's what you want to do. It's a tough profession. There's a lot of luck involved. There's ebbs and flows. But you just got to trust yourself. I'll tell you the one thing.

Patrick Gallagher (45:43.702)
Everybody that I would, talked to some friends who teach and the last thing I ask the kids is, you who's your favorite actor? And none of them ever saved me for some reason.

Well, don't say really famous people like Sean Penn or Robert De Niro. And I'll say, what you need to know is every single one of them started where you were. At some point, everybody you wanted to be didn't have a job. They just believed that they could get it. Now, there's no guarantee that that belief is going to get you a job. But I can guarantee that if you don't believe it, don't pursue it, you won't get a job. 80 % of this is, in my mind, is.

you know, in yourself and belief in yourself, you know, because what talent is talent, I think is a lot of that is conquering your fear. You know, so that's just that's just my little take on it. So if you want to do it, you know, if you want to stop being a co-host and relegated to co-host and you want to go be an actor, you know, I said,

Greg (46:34.326)
Thanks.

Daniel (46:39.136)
He likes to pick on me because I'm doing a bunch of recordings this week. I'm finally submitting a bunch of recordings this week for, for audio books that I've wanted to do. And, so.

Patrick Gallagher (46:49.014)
you should do it. You should do it. I mean, you guys both have great voices, you know, and you voice the work is hard to do. mean, that's there's a lot of competition, but yeah, you can easily do that. I don't really like audiobooks because I don't have the patience. My addiction starts to go.

It does after three hours.

Greg (47:10.08)
Yeah.

Daniel (47:10.995)
Hahaha

Patrick Gallagher (47:13.07)
But yeah, can, you can, I, you know, I say go for it, you know, take as much training as you can. This is great training for voice work, but take classes. Just follow the dream, man. You know, chase the dream. That's key to everything. Otherwise, what the hell's the point? You know.

Daniel (47:27.03)
I just like to have fun.

Greg (47:34.966)
And if you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life.

Patrick Gallagher (47:38.112)
Yeah, and it helps because you know so much of a lot like you know I'm just cleaning the apartment and reorganizing that's not fun but you know the fact that I get to do fun stuff for a living you know helps motivate a little bit when you're doing god I have to get underneath that and sweep up the desk kind of stuff so

Yeah, he cleaning.

Greg (47:57.334)
Well, you heard him, Daniel. You have no excuses anymore. I need you to act like you like being co-host. Get started there.

Patrick Gallagher (48:02.798)
Hahahaha

done it. At least he gave you a capital C though.

Daniel (48:11.306)
He did. It actually used to be a lowercase C.

Greg (48:11.638)
Yes, you got a capital C.

Patrick Gallagher (48:15.789)
Really? you're moving up.

Daniel (48:17.825)
Yeah.

Greg (48:18.644)
Little by little, eventually I'll capitalize the whole thing for you. You know, let's take time.

Daniel (48:22.146)
I'm a backbone of this business for grammatical errors and fixing them.

Patrick Gallagher (48:25.198)
you

Greg (48:26.614)
You

Patrick Gallagher (48:29.228)
Yeah.

Greg (48:30.602)
But Patrick, thank you so much for joining us on this episode. It's been great talking to you. I would love to have you back in the future. So yeah, and.

Patrick Gallagher (48:40.596)
Anytime. Yeah, anytime.

And go play the Assassin's Creed. It's a hell of a game.

Greg (48:50.026)
Yes, Assassin's Creed Shadows, an amazing game getting rave reviews.

Patrick Gallagher (48:53.038)
I may or may not get killed again.

Greg (48:57.07)
my goodness.

Patrick Gallagher (48:59.768)
So.

Greg (49:01.236)
But thank you guys, everybody who's been tuning in. If you haven't already, hit that Subscribe button and join the GZ Chop Chop Podcast community. And let us know who else we should probably have on the podcast. GZ Chop Chop.

Patrick Gallagher (49:07.619)
Yes.

Patrick Gallagher (49:13.162)
Where did that name come from? Do you, does Daniel, yeah, does Daniel spell Daniel with a Z or do you spell Daniel with a Z?

Greg (49:20.982)
No, so the GZ Chop Shop actually started like way back in 2015. Originally, it was just Gamma Games. No. Yeah. So, yeah, it sounded nice. And then, you know, back in 2015, things were different than like everyone on you. Gamma Games, yeah. Back then, everyone, you know, was having like these crazy titles on YouTube or Twitch or whatever.

Patrick Gallagher (49:29.59)
I have no idea what those are. That's a whole lot of what they also get.

Daniel (49:33.024)
It just made up words, basically. That sounded nice.

Patrick Gallagher (49:41.341)
it's Gamma Games. Okay, God, okay, yeah.

Greg (49:50.012)
And my buddy was like, yeah, we need a name and put games there. And I was like, gamma? Because our color theme was green. And I was reading the Hulk at the time. And I was like, gamma, gamma games. And they're like, all right, cool. We'll go with that. And then, well, yeah, because we spelled games with a Z. We took the S out and replaced it with a Z. Yeah, I know. It was like a little edgy thing that just.

Patrick Gallagher (50:03.264)
Well, guess. What's a Z though?

Patrick Gallagher (50:10.798)
Okay. No, that's cool. But as, but as a Canadian, I will have to say it's also GZ games, GZ Chop Shop. Yeah, because Canadians, Canadians still say Zed. So, yeah. No, it's okay. I'm just kidding.

Greg (50:23.548)
okay.

Z

Daniel (50:29.804)
We can still change the logo.

Greg (50:31.966)
Yes. Yes. At some point I know the logo is going to change again.

Patrick Gallagher (50:35.694)
No, no, that's cool. I was just curious where they were. I like that. So games with z, z, z, z, z.

Greg (50:38.646)
Yeah, a little tidbit of a... I don't even think we ever talked about it on the show. Oh, well, don't... Yeah, there you have it, guys. Now you know.

Daniel (50:42.869)
No, we haven't.

Patrick Gallagher (50:44.622)
I like it. And the Chop Shop is, you know.

Greg (50:50.198)
Because we just we were talking about so many topics and we broke it down. you know, when you think chop shop, a lot of people think like cars and you go to a chop shop, your car is getting broken down. So.

Patrick Gallagher (50:57.228)
Yeah, I was thinking like, okay, I like it. I learned something new.

Greg (51:03.018)
Yeah. thank you. Yeah. See, guys, look at that. See, thanks to Patrick. You guys all are in the origin of our name. And now the questions will be rolling in, I'm sure. But thank you guys so much for tuning in. Once again, thank you, Patrick. Guys, visit the website, gchopchoppodcast.com, where you can get every episode of our podcast all in one nifty little place and join the newsletter.

Patrick Gallagher (51:08.622)
There you go.

Patrick Gallagher (51:21.11)
No problem. Nice talking to everybody.

Patrick Gallagher (51:27.171)
See you soon.

Greg (51:31.946)
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Patrick Gallagher (51:38.03)
subscribe and for the Canadians GZ. GZ cha cha.

Daniel (51:41.91)
Hahaha

Greg (51:42.422)
Take care of yourself and each other. And we'll catch all you wonderful people on the next podcast. Later.

Daniel (51:44.832)
I'm gonna run with that one.

Patrick Gallagher (51:46.35)
Okay.

Patrick Gallagher (51:50.348)
See you later.